Indebted

Just to underline a key point in this weakness's power, as has already been mentioned. This weakness hits you every single game.

Trying to list every possible way a weakness (even this one) can mess with your game is impossible, but all the basic weaknesses share one, essentially the same, game effect , you loose a round (With the notable exception of Amnesia, Paranoia and Overzealous, all of which can cost you a good deal more). The way Indebted differs? Instead of "When drawn, loose a round" it basically reads "You loose the first round each game".

The first round each game is usually where the team sticks together and drops the assets they mulliganed for on the table, indebted slows this down so you're still setting up on round 2, or entering the fray underprepared, Indebted can wind up on itself, especially if you draw a bad starting hand, imagine the scenario where you get all of your support stuff on the opening hand and no main gear, mystic drawing their holy rosary, blinding light and Arcane studies on the opening hand for example but no Shrivelling or Rite of seeking, playing these cards and paying their costs makes actually playing for your main cards that much harder when you finally draw into them.

How to deal with this weakness? Depending on your investigator you might just ignore it, you might spend your first actions getting back the lost resources, you might start tecking out costly cards. The key positive factor about indebted is that it reduces a lot of pressure and add's a little bit of predictability to your deck. Even so, do not make the mistake of underestimating this weakness. Depending on which Investigator you are playing, Hypochondria and Psychosis are still probably easier to shrug off.

TL:DR. Indebted is the most mitigatable weakness, it is unique however in the fact that it must be mitigated every single game (whereas other weaknessess only show up 2 out of 3 scenarios) and that it always hits you in the very first round.

Tsuruki23 · 2577
Part of the difference opinion on this card may boil down to playing style. If (like me), you try to win by zipping through scenarios as fast as possible, Indebted is really rough. The fact that it hits every game and significantly slows you down hurts a lot. If you are a player who takes a slower approach and draws a lot of cards, Indebted starts to look better relative to other weaknesses. — CaiusDrewart · 3185
Pickpocketing

EDIT: Complete review overhaul. The old one was just wrong and 8 months later and several decks trying it out later it's time to rewrite it.

So. Evading. A strategy that may or may not be very useful depending on your investigator and campaign. The old Pickpocketing grants cards on successful evades and isn't fast. The cost, action to play and the slow pace at which it returns on it's commitment is just too damn slow, thus Pickpocketing "classic" is a terrible terrible card, another downer for a strategy that didnt have too much support when the game was brand new.

Things have changed quite a bit since then, the full campaign maps are generally less claustrophobic than the core campaign and less populated with stuff that you need or want to kill, cards like Lockpicks, Lola Santiago and Ornate Bow exist now, making based characters more powerful, more consistent and all-round better (not that every would pick the bow but the option is there). In fact the latest campaign greatly rewards sustained evasion.

So, back to Pickpocketing. Here are some strong points in the cards favor:

  • The fast keyword means that you never need to play this until the exact moment that the benefits would be useful.

  • The flexible choice between Resource or Card means that you can shift gears depending on what you need at the moment, not to mention the double benefit from overkilling the test.

  • The card enables sustained spending on evasion checks in the same way Dr. Milan Christopher enables sustained spending on Higher Education. You can use the cash from Pickpocketing to fund the use of Streetwise, and in turn the success bonus/overkill bonus might actually net you your investment back. Unlike Dr. Milan Christopher however you may have 2 copies of Pickpocketing in play at once!

  • Like Rabbit's Foot, a card that turns risky tests into Win/Win situations, Pickpocketing turns evade attempts, which to some might be considered "lost" actions, into far far more useful actions that simultaneously keep you safe and help fund your future actions. Imagine a card that said " Exhaust: You get 1 resource when you hit something." Said card would be in every deck.

Note that the option to gain resources from evades is the mechanic that really makes/breaks this card in comparison to the 0xp version. The ability to fund successful evades with past successful evades give you sustained test-effectiveness. it's impossible to predict exactly how many evades you will succeed on in a scenario, but I bet a dude like Finn or Wendy might be required to evade 6+ times in a given scenario, not counting failed tests, with this in play that'd net you 6+ resources and/or 6+ cards. A, fast, 2 cost card netting you so much returns is obviously terrific.

Do consider Pickpocketing when you build an based investigator, especially if you have stuff like Lola Santiago, Trench Coat or Peter Sylvestre in it to raise your base value into 5+ territory. Lola Santiago + Pickpocketing is a good combo in of itself since the evade actions can now fund your clue gathering like never before.

Tsuruki23 · 2577
Ok lets end with that falacy, 1 action is not equal to 1 resource or 1 card. Frist of all, you get 5 of each for free at the star of the game and one more each turn, let stablish that the game is more or less 12-15 turns long so you have 36-45 actions that means that if you use all your actions to get resources/cards you will get 5+36+11=52 or 5+45+14=64 resources/cards and if we divide it by the number of actions we hace done we have that an action give you 1,44 or 1,42 each. That mean that card really put you down 2 actions maybe, at worse because we haven't consider that you have emergency cache or more eficiente drawn efects in your deck. — Botas · 8
So you need to use it 3 times or 2 with the full effect to get an advantage. Lets think the investigator that could get and advantaje for this card, Wendy Adams and Sefina Rousseau are the greater candidates both have a high agility, both need cards/resources to play their event heavy decks and both don't want to waste resources in weak monsters that their guardian companion could easily kill. It is obiously not a card for all the green boys, and maybe is not the best for a solo-deck but it feels quite nice for they two events queens of the game in multiplayer game in with your investigator should be rather be a especialist than a toolbox kid. — Botas · 8
"Playing this sets you back 3 actions. 1 to-Draw, 2 for-2 resources." - Why would you count the cost of drawing this card? Every card has to be drawn from your deck before it can be played so it's pointless to consider that action. — kingofyates · 26
"Why would you count the cost of drawing this card?" It is more that drawing a card has an opportunity cost, the cost of not drawing any other card from your deck (or from outside your deck if you had not played this card). This opportunity cost can be "regained" by drawing another card, thus using an action. — Alleria · 115
This review was written before Delilah, but just feel like it's worth mentioning that Delilah allows you to convert a successful evade action into 2 damage (for a cost, but Rogues have great economy cards). Put down two of these babies and a Lucky Cigarette Case, and you can most likely draw 3 cards and gain 2 resources with every evade (The card draw helps ensure that you can commit enough to keep succeeding by 2). Then you can kill them off with Delilah once you're done with them. It's especially good with Winifred, because her innate ability gives her an additional card, and her high base agility makes her already pretty good at this. You can draw your whole deck pretty fast and get all of your key assets out. — Zinjanthropus · 230
This is also really good in Finn! It's virtually free to use with his extra action. I was able to get up to 30 or 40 resources with only this and Pay Day in Murder at the Excelsior Hotel. I think this kind of shines if you have a relatively harmless enemy on the board who you can keep evading rather than getting swarmed with enemies. By the time I started pulling enemies I wanted to kill, I was already able to Contraband my Chicago Typewriter a few times. — Zinjanthropus · 230
Indebted

Standard cost of a weakness is 3 actions :

  • One action since you don't draw a card in compensation
  • Two actions to get rid of the weakness Depending on how much you draw, you draw a weakness between half of the time and 5 times over 6. Lets average it to 2/3. So in average, a weakness make you lose 2 actions each game.

This weakness make you lose two actions at the start of the game :

  • No surprise. Determinism is always a good thing, since you can build against.
  • The other players can compensate you inefficiency in the first few turns.
  • You are less likelly to draw a weakness. Drawing a weakness while searching for a solution to a problem is a VERY bad news. You are significantly reducing the probabilities of a bad news.

So except if you planed to "rush" trough the scenario (which is reasonnable when playing alone), this weakness is better than the "standard weakness".

MoiMagnus · 63
I love to play Mark Harrigan and it's not uncommon to cycle twice through my deck. Being indebted assures I won't see any treachery at the worst possible moment, and as Mark I need to control how much horror and damage I can sustain on any given turn. If I could choose, I'd take indebted anyday over almost any other treachery, since Mark doesn't particularly need any expensive card at the beginning thanks to Sophie. And I think I would be equally blessed playing any seeker with access to lots of card draw. — Freeman · 5
.45 Automatic

Is it worth it?

Actually no. There are better weapons than this in the upgrade guardian store.

The only thing that this weapon can fit into a deck is if you focus on an expensive build on multiplayer and you only have a few xp to spare. Otherwise dont spent xp on this one.

Cant say i completely agree. — aramhorror · 709
I meant to add: It's a 2xp card, meaning that skids and yorrick and other guardian-offrole characters can include it. It's also not such a bad pick, if you decide mid-campaign that you need a gun. In that case the xp-cost is just +1, compared to the .32 or the regular .45. The +2 for combat is pretty okay. And the fact that the gun is good versus Melee-Resistant enemies AND enemies with retaliate is just a nice bonus if they happen to cross your path. — aramhorror · 709
I also consider this upgrade fairly meh. It may be OK on Hard/Expert in certain circumstances. It would look better if there were more melee-resistant enemies in the game. Right now there are only a couple. The big problem is that this upgrade didn't solve the major flaw of the .45, viz. 4 bullets are not nearly enough. — CaiusDrewart · 3185
Its not meant to be an upgrade to the .45. Its a card you pick when you start the game with no guns. — aramhorror · 709
It's likely more for the cross-class investigators such as Skids and Yorick. Yes, Skids get's access to the Typewriter, but that's 5 xp away in a faction that is so hungry for XP, the replacement card for Jenny is reduce xp costs of cards. So it's something to use until you can afford the typewriter. — CecilAlucardX · 10
Skids and Yorick already has access to Machete which is better than this card. This weapon only adds the retaliate bonus. Personally i wouldn't spend 4 xp (for 2 copies) while i need them for test of will, devil's luck, sure gamble etc. You have to manage your xp during campaign and this card doesnt belong to the priorities. There are great 1xp cards out there than spending 2xp to this card if you have a spare to spend before last scenario. — Uncle George the Farmer · 49093
Its a firearm and some enemies key off of non-melee traits. I also don't think this item is a x2 purchase unless you are Lola. — Myriad · 1226
Indebted

I'm surprised that the top review of this weakness calls it very mild. I consider it way worse than average. It's probably not the worst weakness in the game (Overzealous exists, and I'm no fan of Amnesia) but it's quite bad.

Now, you might argue that Indebted has two things going for it. First, it only takes away two resources. That doesn't seem too bad. A run-of-the-mill weakness like Haunted or Chronophobia probably takes away two actions (actions being more valuable than resources), and something like Paranoia has the potential to take away a lot more than two resources. Second, you'll obviously never draw Indebted, so it won't cost you a card as other weaknesses do. And if you're Indebted, your odds of drawing any other specific card you want in your deck are ever so slightly higher.

But I still consider this weakness terrible. First: it hits you every single game. There are no reprieves. A good rule of thumb is that a standard scenario lasts about ~12 turns, all things considered. There are 28 or more cards in your deck after your opening hand. That means that as long as you're not spending a ton of actions drawing cards, there is a pretty decent chance you will never draw your basic weakness. Or, if you do draw it, you might draw it so late in the game that it doesn't matter (there are many weaknesses that can simply be shrugged off if drawn late enough). This will never be the case with Indebted, which will always hurt you.

Second, the cost of two resources may not seem that bad, but in fact they are more significant than they seem, because resources are at their most valuable on turn 1. Almost every investigator needs to play key assets to be effective, and needs to get them out ASAP. Wendy wants Leo De Luca and Fire Axe. Daisy wants Old Book of Lore and Dr. Milan Christopher. Agnes wants Shrivelling and Peter Sylvestre (and probably many other things besides.) Notice how all these investigators want cards that combined cost 6+ resources. Notice also how many of these cards grant lasting benefits and are therefore weaker the later they are played. Being Indebted makes these starts agonizingly slow. Unless you are lucky enough to draw Emergency Cache and the key assets in question, you'll have to choose between spending multiple "take a resource" actions (which slows you down a lot) or not getting your critical assets out for several turns (which also slows you down a lot.) You'll be faced with this every single game. On the first turn, resources are almost as important as actions, and Indebted costs you two. Every time.

You might say "just build your deck with Indebted in mind." Well, first, investigators are just flat-out less effective without their key assets, so avoiding some of your investigator's most powerful cards to play around your weakness is not a great solution. Moreover, by the rulebook you get your weakness after building your deck. So this is not really an option.

There may be some investigators who might not care too much about it, like Dark Horse Pete (though I think even he finds it a little irritating.) But by and large, this is a really harsh weakness.

CaiusDrewart · 3185
I am currently running it with solo Jim and yeah, the starts are more difficult because I need Leo out asap. On the other hand, it never happened that I have been overrun due to bad draw even with Final Rhapsody. IMO this weakness's best advantage is being flat and so you can deal with it when the game conditions are not that hard, and so you can fully focus on the act just after (instead of risking double bad draw and trying to be prepared for it constantly). But as you have mentioned - this weakness is always in effect and so you will never get the relieve of not appearing like the others could have. — XehutL · 47
I've had this weakness in several 2 and 4 player games, but dont see your point. I never had problems compensating because it's easy to plan ahead (adding more ressource cards to deck and mulligan starting hand). I fear most other weaknesses because they can hit you anytime you draw a card and put more pressure on you. If you draw the wrong encounter cards in addition, that's even worse. This card makes it so much easier to stay "in control" of the board. — Django · 5155
This weakness make you lose at most 2 actions at the beginning of the game. Except in very few cases, scenarios have few "quiet turns" at the beginning, so the remaining of the team will be able to compensate. I agree with the other post on this weakness being one of "the best pick" — MoiMagnus · 63
We are currently running a 3 player Dunwich legacy campaign and we have two investigators who have this weakness. As you say it hit's us at every game and put our lives at risk directly because we have two investigators who start with an handicap. — Wirbowsky · 1