Lessons in Ghoul Seduction | HC 1K Series

Another fantastick deck, thanks for sharing! I think Tonys low sanity screams for logical reasoning though.

@kriger Thanks, glad you like it! I had a single copy of Logical Reasoning in the deck for a while, but with Lonnie Ritter and Leo De Luca to a lesser extent I didn't find I needed the horror healing and so dropped it. Lonnie's soak is huge even without Heavy Furs, and you can always replay her if the first copy dies (which Lucky Cigarette Case and Easy Mark help you draw). While Logical Reasoning helps with Terror treacheries in your threat area too, you do have "You handle this one!" so I'd advise palming them off if needed!

Hey this is an amazing deck and I'm having a lot of fun playing it solo. Just wanted to say thanks for sharing!

One other thing, would you consider adding Streetwise?

Thanks @dosage0, very glad you like it!

I had thought about Streetwise, but as it's a bit of a costly deck to setup I think Another Day, Another Dollar is a slightly (v. slightly) better fit for two player. However for solo as you are playing, seeing as you need to do everything off your own back, I think having pay-to-win for would be better. You could consider dropping Honed Instinct altogether in that case and replacing with Perception, and using the XP saving for Streetwise (up to 10 actions is still pretty damn good). You should take "I'm outta here!" on Bewitching too in the final deck rather than "You handle this one!" for obvious reasons!

Sorry for a newbie question, could you explain why Bewitching cannot be triggered by a massive enemy? According to FAQ 2.2: When an investigator engages an enemy, that enemy has also engaged that investigator, and vice-versa. There is no difference between engaging an enemy and being engaged by an enemy. Effects that trigger “after an enemy engages you” will trigger at the same time as effects that trigger “after you engage an enemy.” According to Rules Reference: Massive is a keyword ability. A ready enemy with the massive keyword is considered to be engaged with each investigator at the same location as it. An exhausted enemy with the massive keyword is not considered to be engaged with any investigators. So when you enter a location with a massive enemy or the enemy becomes ready, doesn't it count as the enemy engaging you?

@D1splaced Good question! I based this on the ruling from Zoey's Cross, as this is also a reaction triggered by engagement so I can't see why this would work any differently for Bewitching.

A copy and paste of the ruling from the card's page: 'If Zoey Samaras is dealing with a Massive enemy, the enemy is “considered” engaged with you, so it will enable abilities – like the Machete’s – that require you to be engaged with an enemy. However, there is no timing point of engagement, you’re just “considered” engaged with it, so you can’t really trigger reactions to becoming engaged with the enemy, like Zoey Samaras or Zoey's Cross.'

@HungryColquhoun Yes, the condition on Zoey's Cross seems identical (since "you engage an enemy = an enemy becomes engaged with you"), so if it's been ruled that it doesn't work with massive enemies, then Bewitching doesn't work too.

Rules Reference about Enemy Engagement: "While an enemy card is in play, it is either engaged with an investigator (and placed in that investigator’s threat area), or it is unengaged and at a location (and placed at that location)."

So maybe it's implied that if an enemy is at a location, then it's unengaged. It would be nice though if Massive keyword definition directly stated that a massive enemy in reality is not engaged with investigators. However it raises a question: can you even disengage a massive enemy if it's only "considered" engaged? If you evade it and it becomes exhausted, then sure. But if you use something like Elusive? There is no rule that a massive enemy stops being "considered" engaged if you disengage it. It was unengaged before, it remains unengaged after. And it's "considered" engaged despite the fact that it actually isn't (as long as it's not exhausted).

I'm sure it's intended that you can disengage massive enemies, I'm just trying to interpret rules as they are written.

@HungryColquhoun Though I guess I can pull my question about disengaging back. Disengaging with massive enemies is not relevant for most cards since they are fast or don't provoke attacks of opportunity. The only exception is Stealth, and it actually has the ruling: "Since Massive enemies never have a particular timing point in which they become engaged with you, Stealth does not prevent their engagement. They are just considered to be engaged with you at all times while you are at their location."

@D1splaced Yeah stuff is only added to the FAQ sections of card pages if it's official, so I'm satisfied that's the case. Generally I do always try to flag weirder rulings that have a bearing on decks upfront (as is the case here) as they are easy to forget about!

I think the easier way to think about it is stuff that enters your threat area satisfies the engagement trigger - but any enemies that don't, won't. I believe Elusive does qualify as you say, as other than that trigger moment they are considered engaged for all other interactions (e.g. Flamethrower, Machete, Elusive, etc.).

@HungryColquhoun In case of Elusive interaction with massive enemies doesn't even matter, because the only point of disengaging is to get rid of enemies and not pull them to another location. But massive enemies won't move with you anyway.

The only card I've found where disengagement from a massive creature is somewhat relevant is Stealth, and, as I understand the ruling, you don't become disengaged from a massive creature either.

Yes you're right, as Elusive is fast it makes no difference either way as Massive enemies can't move with you as you say and fast actions don't trigger AoOs. Stealth is an interesting one but I think fits thematically - I've always thought it's because Massive monsters occupy so much of their immediate vicinity that they're considered engaged with everyone, and so I think that also extends to them leaving no where left to hide.

Anyway, good to chat through the finer points of engagement with you!

I despise this image

@HeroesOfTomorrow Lol, glad it created an impression at least! It's unfortunate there aren't more well known bounty hunters out there...